Curse

dusanyu · Mar 10, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

It's not that WE is so overpowering, as the fact that it's better for pressure builds than the holy Shockaxe while being a mind-numbing spam build that takes much less skill; or at least that was the consensus of some epic 10+ locked complaint thread here a while back.

On that note, what is with all the [Battle Rage] on observer now?

replace for Primal semi spam able IMS
ah yes iand if those are the Grounds for Screaming for a WE Nerf than they should remove assassins and Dervs. from the game because they Fit the Same Description of Mind numbing Spam that requires much less skill

moriz · Mar 10, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by dusanyu

Don't see what all the QQing about [Warrior's Endurance] is about, it is balanced in its Current form. and is highly Susceptible to such thing as attack blocking (no energy gain) [Diversion], Energy Denial, [Distracting Shot] (Dshot that Power attack its not that hard to predict)

Secondly it makes Warriors Viable in Such Venues as AB where classes such as the assassin and the Dervish have out shined the warrior because maintaining adren. is difficult due to the constant need to move and Cap. Shrines.

it is strong, but not unbeatable, it is balanced

strange, you can say the same thing about primal rage. guess it wasn't overpowered then.

FoxBat · Mar 10, 2009, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by dusanyu

h yes iand if those are the Grounds for Screaming for a WE Nerf than they should remove assassins and Dervs. from the game because they Fit the Same Description of Mind numbing Spam that requires much less skill

That's pretty much what people say. And they have been mostly removed from high-end pvp, always following some great uproar when they can actually compete for warrior slots.

-Pluto- · Mar 10, 2009, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Generally, if all you can do is say "diversion and dshot counter it," you're actually arguing for the side saying it's OP.

Like, if Searing flames did 700 damage, it'd be okay, because if you divert it on the first cast or dshot it, nobody dies.

Moloch Vein · Mar 10, 2009, 08:52 AM // 08:52

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Originally Posted by -Pluto-

Generally, if all you can do is say "diversion and dshot counter it," you're actually arguing for the side saying it's OP.

Like, if Searing flames did 700 damage, it'd be okay, because if you divert it on the first cast or dshot it, nobody dies.

/winthread

/close

IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 10, 2009, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Lol energy denying a WE warrior, gud1!

obsidian ectoplasm · Mar 10, 2009, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Lol energy denying a WE warrior, gud1!

how would you know what good mesmers do?

are you like some noob who has never even GvG'd?

all pro mesmers know e denial is good vs warrios

lol KMD is that like some noob guild?

btw mitch before you flame, I am not being serious lol

<3

anyways PR was kind of over powered TBH so I don't mind to much, but it was very fun

Kaon · Mar 10, 2009, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Anyone that claims WE isn't broken needs to stop playing guild wars right now. The skill is obviously broken and a perfect example of how dumbed down classes can become.

distilledwill · Mar 10, 2009, 11:35 AM // 11:35

When WE was first buffed I seem to remember someone bringing [[Spirit Shackles] to counter it, but with all this PnH+smite hexing going on I can't see that being effective.

scruffy · Mar 10, 2009, 11:36 AM // 11:36

WE has been broken, its just that primal rage was even worse for the past little while

spamming attacks is for dervishes, plz fix warriors so they take 'teh skill'

i think WE would be better if it had a 30 second recharge, lasted 10 seconds and said

for the next 10 seconds, your attack skills cost 5 less energy

this would probably have to scale with strength

FoxBat · Mar 10, 2009, 05:10 PM // 17:10

All they have to do is nudge the power attack/protector strike recharges up to 5 or something, no other bar uses them on recharge anyway.

Reverend Dr · Mar 10, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Spirit Shackles has always looked like a good skill.

But it has never been one.

EDIT: Part of the point of saying WE is overpowered was that warriors were just not supposed to have that kind of energy generation. Its synergy with power and protector's has made this build powerful, but just breaking that synergy only destroys this build. WE will still be over generating energy just waiting for the next time it has a buddy that can bring it back to the meta, where it will again be unliked.

Killed u man · Mar 10, 2009, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by moriz

strange, you can say the same thing about primal rage. guess it wasn't overpowered then.

PR didn't have Power Attack they could Dshot, hence it wasn't overpowered...

moriz · Mar 10, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

PR didn't have Power Attack they could Dshot, hence it wasn't overpowered...

dshot bull's strike then.

TheHaxor · Mar 11, 2009, 12:53 AM // 00:53

WE, Primal, BR, Evisc, Dslash, Dev Hammer, etc. all need a buff

Regulus X · Mar 11, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Change WE to..

WE: 25e/90 - For 5 seconds, you're laughed at by foes within the area. When WE ends, you are struck for 999 damage. For 60 minutes, all resurrection attempts on you fail.

Morgan Crowe · Mar 11, 2009, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Change WE to..

WE: 25e/90 - For 5 seconds, you're laughed at by foes within the area. When WE ends, you are struck for 999 damage. For 60 minutes, all resurrection attempts on you fail.

lol that's exactly what I thought when I read this:

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i think WE would be better if it had a 30 second recharge, lasted 10 seconds and said

for the next 10 seconds, your attack skills cost 5 less energy

How terrible can you kill a skill? Even PR is alive compared to WE then.

Since PR got nerfed you can see how terrible some warriors are. They nearly do no pressure at all, hitting no bull'ses without a runbuff on frenzy, etc.
If WE was nerfed a lot of people would run Battle Rage, which isn't a great difference. You're just spamming adrenaline skills instead of energyskills and you can take a utility.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 11, 2009, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Originally Posted by Morgan Crowe

If WE was nerfed a lot of people would run Battle Rage, which isn't a great difference. You're just spamming adrenaline skills instead of energyskills and you can take a utility.

And you can't frenzy while using Battle Rage, minor difference, oh wait..

Primal rage was easy mode warrior, Warrior's Endurance isn't even warrior, it feels more like dervish.

Morgan Crowe · Mar 11, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

And you can't frenzy while using Battle Rage, minor difference, oh wait..

Primal rage was easy mode warrior, Warrior's Endurance isn't even warrior, it feels more like dervish.

I didn't compare Battle Rage with Primal Rage but Warrior's Endurance. Of course Warrior's Endurance feels more like a dervish, but that's also a thing of interpretation. On the one hand it's a warrior since you have frenzy, rush and bull's on the other hand it's just a better derv with kd, cool ias and without aoe.

But I think with Battle Rage you almost can keep up the same spikefrequence as with Warrior's Endurance.

frojack · Mar 11, 2009, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

All they have to do is nudge the power attack/protector strike recharges up to 5 or something, no other bar uses them on recharge anyway.

You can't nerf skills that are completely fine just because of some piece-a-shit elite. Why it even has perma up-keep I don't know...